amb wrote:That is true if the amp was only ever powered by a battery. Without D4, and if there is no battery installed, the wallwart charger's voltage will get around the 7812 voltage regulator via the LM317L constant current source, and since OPA690's maximum supply voltage is 12VDC, there is a potential for it to become damaged. So D4 is not an optional part, it's required for safe operation of the amp.
Yes, I understand its purpose. It does, however, create a small leakage current across the battery that might shorten the storage life.
amb wrote:Since you publish reviews, you have the power to do damage (to a product, or to the reputation of the people behind it) if you write something disparaging. You should have a sense of journalistic responsibility to work out any issues with us first.
If I thought something might be wrong with the Mini3 I tested I would have contacted you. But I'm 99.9% sure it was working as intended when I tested it. You may see my review as damaging, but I see it as helping people make informed choices about what they spend their time and money on. I personally think it's "damaging" to make claims that are not true--like the claims you make for the Mini3's virtual ground, power output, battery life, etc.
amb wrote:You put the Mini³ directly on a power transformer and saw magnetic interference. Aluminum doesn't do a thing for such interference. What a discovery!
This is a portable amp meant to go in pockets, backpacks or somesuch. Putting it on a transformer is hardly a normal mode of use.
No, the point is it picked up hum a good 15+ inches away from the transformer. And, while on top of the transformer, it was 20 dB higher than the E7 placed in the same spot. 20 dB is huge. In this case it's 70 dB vs 90 dB. The first is plainly audible, the second one isn't. I honestly don't know how much it's a problem in real world use, but it's
not normal. So I published what I found.
amb wrote:OK, that's good, but there are still possible issues with ground and cabling, and whether the dScope's internal ground link is engaged or not. Without having worked through your specific test environment I also can't rule out any possible problems.
The ground link was not enabled. The tests I run on the dScope are all saved in configuration files. Many are the the same tests I've used on dozens if not hundreds of pieces of gear. One click of the mouse sets up everything the same for every test.
amb wrote:You have not been through the whole Mini³ design process and do not know just how much work went into making the AD8397 happy.
You're right. I can only report on the final design you ended up with. And, from what I've seen, it could still use some work.
amb wrote:A fully-charged 9V 300mAH NiMH battery produces well over 10V. The D3 diode and R5s do drop a little voltage, but I was still able to measure 9Vp-p (3.2Vrms) output before onset of clipping. This is not just calculation. It's real. 3.2Vrms into 33 ohms is a hair over 300mW. The current into the 33 ohm load at this point is 3.2V / 33 ohms = 97mArms or 137mA peak. This is well within the current output capabilities of the OPA690. Now that is a single channel.
Ok, let's look at
all of the numbers. First, the "well over 10V" statement is misleading. Fully charged NiMh cells start out at 1.35 volts each, for a 7 cell NiMh battey, that's 9.45 volts--not "well over 10V". If you don't believe me, have a look at:
http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/nh22-175.pdfThe discharge curves, even at 17.5 mA (less than the Mini3 draws) start out barely above 9 volts and rapidly (as in after just a few minutes) fall to 9 volts. So let's use 9 volts as a battery voltage which is still only good for the first 30% or so of the battery life.
After the 1N4001, we have 8.2 volts DC. The AD8397 will drop at least another 0.2 volts from each rail so that's 7.8 V p-p out of the AD8397. The resistor divider formed by the 6.2 ohm output resistor (R5) and the 33 ohm load drops that to 6.06 V p-p. That's 2.14 V rms. P = 2.14*2.14/33 =
138 mW best case not including ANY losses in the OPA690.
So, I'm sorry, but
your 300 mW number is VERY WRONG! If you want to know why I got 98 mW instead of 138 mW, that's easy. Both channels were driven and the OPA690 was in over its head--even into 33 ohms. And this is all assuming pushing the output right up to clipping. I measured, as is the accepted standard, to 1% THD. And all the various non-linearities, not the least of which is the feedback mess created by having that 6.2 ohm output resistor inside the feedback loop, conspire to push the THD to 1% before you actually get to hard clipping. So the 138 mW drops to 98 mW on a freshly charged battery with both channels stressing the OPA690.
amb wrote:When both channels are driven with a mono signal then yes, we exceed the current capability of the OPA690, but low-Z headphones are usually very sensitive so no one will be listening to such headphones at 9Vp-p, so this is fairly academic.
If you look at my results table, I rate the output into 15 ohms as "Excellent" so I agree ~100 mW is plenty at that impedance. My issue is the number you publish in your specs isn't a little bit wrong,
it's off by a factor of three. I think that's very misleading.
amb wrote:But was your volume pot set to maximum for all your measurements? If not, then there is a problem. It's not just on the Mini³, but all pots will cause stereo crosstalk when turned part-way down. It's just a fact of life.
Nowhere on in my specs did I test with a 15 ohm load, so your comparisons are not fair.
I checked the crosstalk with
your 33 ohm specified load. It measured -46 dB. You list it as -88 dB. That's not a small difference. With a 150 ohm load,
at the same volume setting, it measured 60 dB. At 15 ohms and,
the same volume setting, it measured 40 dB. The volume setting was the same for all 3 measurements. The difference is the load. I'm happy with 60 dB and if you want to blame that number on the volume control, go ahead. But what's mostly causing the drop in channel separation is the OPA690 falling down on the job as the impedance drops. Some of it might be because the two output channels are on a single op amp die. But neither have anything to do with the volume control.
There's no way the Mini3 can do anything close to -88 dB at ANY volume setting into 33 ohms. Period. Again, your number is very misleading.
amb wrote:Since the standard headphone TRS jack shares a common ground wire between two channels, if the jack contact and the wires have significant impedance (even as low as a fraction of an ohm), when you're driving high currents through them, there will be deterioration of stereo crosstalk.
All my measurements use the same cables, levels, loads, and set up including the FiiO E7. The E7 measured 63 dB into 15 ohms sharing current as you describe above at 400 mV output. The Mini3 measured 40 dB under the same conditions. You can't blame the huge 23 dB difference on the common ground wire in the cable. Sorry. Same wire, same cable, same current, same everything. The difference is the FiiO doesn't use a shared virtual ground.
amb wrote:As for your low battery run-time, there are a couple of issues. First, you have a 200mAH battery. I tested with 300mAH and 270mAH batteries
Do you have links for the datasheets for these batteries? I've never seen an 8.4 v NiMh battery with a capacity that high. But even 50% more mAH rating still won't get you to 10+ hours in real world use. Face it, it's a misleading number. What good is a headphone amp with the volume turned all the way down?
I'm really not trying to pick a fight, but I stand behind every one of my measurements. And I'll defend them if someone tries to claim they're wrong unless someone can prove where I made a mistake. So far, you've not shown where I've been wrong.